Toss-up In Nevada?

Sven at My Silver State has the rundown of a new Mason-Dixon poll conducted for the Las Vegas Review-Journal of the presidential contest in Nevada:

(6/08-10, 625 LVs, MoE +/- 4%)

Obama 42

McCain 44

Undecided 14

Sven also breaks down the county by county results (Las Vegas is in Clark County [Southern NV] and Reno is in Washoe [Northern NV]):

When one looks at the 2004 results, it's quite obvious that while McCain is still in the lead in this poll, it's not good news for him. In 2004 Kerry won Clark County by only 4.8% (51.6-46.8)*, while Bush won Washoe County by 4.3% (51.3-47) and trounced Kerry in the rurals by 33 percentage points (65.4-32.4).

Kerry needed to have done much better in Clark County or not as bad in Washoe and/or the rurals to win. This poll currently shows Obama doing better than Kerry in Clark (ahead by 7% instead of 4.8%), slighty better in Washoe (down by 3% instead of 4.3%) and is doing the same as Kerry in the rurals (both down 33%).

*The Secretary of State site only gives vote totals for each county, the percentage calculations are my own.

Here's where all the organizing in this year's primary contest will come into play - a more sizable cushion in union-heavy Clark county for Obama will give some breathing space in other areas of the state. Right now, Obama's lead in Clark is only a couple points better than Kerry's was in '04, but my expectation is that will grow even more.



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We're 5 months out (none / 0)

Obama numbers will only improve from here.
by parahammer on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:30:22 PM EST

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i thought he was ahead in nevada


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by lori on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:45:41 PM EST

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Rasmussen's had McCain ahead for the last couple of months:

http://www.pollster.com/08-NV-Pres-GE-Mv O.php


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by HellofaSandwich on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:48:09 PM EST
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I don't think I have ever seen him ahead.  Nevada is a red state trending purple.  

Even if his numbers stay the same, its ONE more Bush state McCain must defend.  The more states this is competitive for us, the more Obama's money advantage will help.


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by yitbos96bb on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:32:27 PM EST
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Obama won RUral areas in the NV Caucuses (none / 0)

While Hillary won Clark COunty by 10 pts., Obama won the RUral areas. I think his organizers realize that this is where the greatest gain can be had. If Obama can get to a 15 pt. deficit then he'll win NV for sure.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primari es/results/state/#NV


by chatters71 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:53:06 PM EST

Re: Obama won RUral areas in the NV Caucuses (none / 0)

Isn't it interesting that the farther west you go, the better Obama does in rural areas?  He dominated Oregon's farm country....


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by LordMike on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:26:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama won RUral areas in the NV Caucuses (none / 0)

This is a big argument among NV democrats and has been since 04. Some follow Reid's logic, that to win the state you have to do better in the rurals and the Las Vegas suburbs which have trended sharply D in the past 2 years.

Others point out that while we've lost the state 3 times since 05 by <25k votes (00 & 04 presidential, 06 gov), we've had relatively poor turnout (<60%) in high performing Democratic areas of Clark, meaning we can pick up 50-100K votes if we devote resources to registering, contacting, educating and mobilizing areas that are heavily lower income white, african-american and hispanic in central, eastern and North Las Vegas. The state party has generally resisted this because those areas are already solidly Dem downballot, whereas the swing seats in the state assembly, state Senate and Congress are elsewhere.

Obama's win in the rural counties in the caucus seems to me no basis at all to argue for trying to win the state in the rurals. You aren't going to gain much by trying to boost Dem turnout in the GE there, since you already get 80% or better in most of the rural counties. IN fact, I expect we'll see lower turnout there this Nov since Bush and then Gibbons in 06 pulled out conservative voters like never before in those counties.

The natural place for OBama to work is Clark where most of the gains in Dem registration have come since 06. In the swing districts of CD3, where the Congressional seat is eminently winnable with Dina Titus on the ballot, and with multiple Assembly seats plus the key Senate seat, he might be able to do what Dems could not do in 06 which is bring across enough independents.

But where I think Obama can make the biggest difference in turning NV blue is in the democratic heartland of CD1. Thats where his kind of campaign -- heavily invested in field organizing, heavy mobilizing of african-american voters, heavy mobilization of new voters or those with poor voting histories in the past -- thats where we've left far too many votes on the table in the past few elections. If he can move those areas to 65 or 70 % turnout, thats 40 to 50 K Democratic votes.


by desmoulins on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:26:40 PM EST
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go obama!

and to think this is even before he gets his organization together in Nevada


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by drache on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:40:09 PM EST

We must not be complacent. This is June. (none / 0)

We've got to work harder than the Republicans to win!


by slinkerwink on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:41:29 PM EST

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What are the demos among the undecideds?


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by Transplanted Texan on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 06:28:15 PM EST

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There haven't been many polls in NV. In fact, even if you take all the polls that have been taken in NV and treat them as if they're all current, you get a total sample of about 5000, which is good for a margin-of-error of about 1.4%.  Now, of course most of the polls are somewhat stale, and so the most you can say just by looking at NV's polls is that NV is likely to be a very close state.

Taking all the NV polls and other polls into account, my prediction (page not updated yet with the new poll) for election day is 51.3% with a MoE of 4.8%, which is similar to my view on OH.  FiveThirtyEight  (which tends to believe that elections are more volatile than I do) has 52.4% with an implied MoE of 18 or 19%.

Obviously, Obama doesn't need NV for a win, but it's great that it's in play. His easiest minimal winning coalition is probably the Gore states plus CO.


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by bschak on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 06:59:03 PM EST

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I'll predict that the recession is about to hit Las Vegas very hard.  It already has but the airline cutbacks are really going to kick in soon.  Las Vegas is about to go bust for awhile.  I wish it was not so, but...

The demand for change is going to be strong indeed in Clark County.


by howardpark on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:32:48 PM EST

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The recession HAS hit Vegas very hard already. We may be one of the last cities to feel economic hardship but we sure have been feeling it for the past 6 months or so.


by werd2406 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:47:52 PM EST
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I posted this in an earlier post but it fits in perfectly to the topic:

I live in Vegas and based on what ive seen and heard from the people, NV will be close. I think out of the 3 western toss ups, it's going to be the most challenging pick up but its also not that hard to flip it.

McCain wants a ban on college betting. College betting brings in A LOT of money to Vegas/Nevada and therefore keeps people employed. Vegas is kinda known for gambling, not sure if this was known or not ;)  Anyway, Obama just needs to start running ads talking about how McCain wants to ban college sports betting (which most people don't know about) and even Republicans will be voting against him for that sole purpose. Count on it. We love us some gaming and tourists.


by werd2406 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:51:00 PM EST

someone buy ads for Bob Barr in NV (none / 0)

This is one state where I think the Libertarian candidate could take support from McCain.

Ron Paul did very well in the GOP race there.

The only reason Harry Reid held onto his Senate seat in 1998 was that a Libertarian candidate took a couple percent of the vote.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:33:21 PM EST


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