Also, I can only imagine the absolute madness if this system were brought to a state like Florida.

Its local but it hurts us nationally. Clark County is going to be very much an epicenter in the 08 elections.

That said, I don't think people need to get bent out of shape but I do think its a call for more of the thoughtful and informative discussion about organizing and communicating on this site that helps people become effective local activists -- rather than using the site merely as a sounding board for campaign spin.

Brutal, but essentially accurate.  Obama's field team is perhaps the best-run in the history of presidential races.  I would not be surprised if he won Texas handily, especially since it isn't even clear if the Clinton campaign understands the rules of that primary/caucus yet.

Isn't the number of delegates elected to the county convention a fixed number that's not dependent on turnout?

Yes, precisely. Apparently the county party leadership either figured that, as in past years, a large % of elected delegates wouldn't show at the county convention or simply booked the largest room they could afford and hoped a significant proportion of elected delegates wouldn't show.

Another part of the story is the alternates. Part rules allow an unlimited # of altnerates to show up incase elected delegates don't show. Both campaigns sought to mobilize unelected party registrants to show up as alternates -- and then sought to seat those alternates without credentials, to occupy the room. The county party should have made clear to the campaigns not to do this but they didnt.

what you're missng is that all throughout the country the "elected delegats" aren't really elected.  Most states have some selection process that either adds, changes, or 'validates" the the caucus or election.

This is part of the untold media spin from the msm and obama campaign about how "the will of the people"  are invested in the delegate process.

This is b.s.

The delegate process is really more for party building and inside jockeying rather than picking a president.

You mean like how Clinton lied about his stance on abortion in NH?  Anyway, in what way did he lie?  With regards to NAFTA, Clinton's own book praises the legislation.  With regards to health care, Clinton has never been clear as to the enforcement provisions that she would adopt, and wage garnishment and other forced payments have never been ruled out.  By all means they should explore these issues in the next debate, but where specifically is the lie?

Hillary is not an embarrassment to the party.  Speak for yourself because as far as I am concerned, I have never been more proud.  I am glad that she finally spoke out against these outrageous tactics by the Obama campaign.  I actually feel more rejuvenated and reinvigorated by this.  

I guess its good that Rezko's under indictment then, I mean that we he can't be appointed Assistant AG (Webb Hubbell). Seriously, don't play this game, its like the knife v. gun thing in the Untouchables: You bring up  Ayers we counter with the pardon of members of the Weather Underground, and Cop-maiming FALN scum, you bring up Rezko we counter with AG Webb Hubbell, etc.

Probably right. All the more reason we need new leadership in the Clark County party.

Let them fight for a while.  What it does is build Democratic infrastructure in states that have not yet been visited.  I don't think that it has become harmful with respect to our efforts against McCain as of yet.

I don't think yesterday's snafu can be blamed on so much on campaign infighting as on an utterly incompetent county party leadership. Yes, the problem was magnified by the efforts of the Clinton campaign to turn out large numbers of people as alternates and guests to pack the house and make a strong showing -- but that is also what we as Democrats all want. The lack of preparation by the county party, both logistically and politically, is the sine qua non of this disaster.

 What freaking planet do you live on ? Maybe you shouldnt alienate those who havent voted yet. Its a process let it play out.

Kinda off topic here aren't we?