Nevada Caucus morning

Good morning. NV caucus sites open in a few hours so here's once more a few quick hits from the ground. No predictions, no secrets, consider this a "Johnny Apple mood" piece, MyDD-style.

Spent most of yesterday making turnout calls and dropping lit for Edwards. Frustratingly high number of people, and not just Edwards supporters (though thats to whom I'm talking most) say they will not attend, due to last minute illness, change in work schedules, or even one (non-Edwards) voter said she could no longer attend as planned because she'd be taking delivery of a new La-Z-Boy Saturday at noon. Minus one point for democracy.

Only hard news -- some last minute confusion, some deliberate some not. On the conference call last night for temp pct chairs, the NDSP caucus director said that distribution of lit would be allowed in the caucus sites, contradicting what had been told to us at prior trainings. On the follow-up confirmation call from an NSDP staffer, I asked him to check and the answer came back, no in fact lit distribution in caucus sites would not be allowed. Looks like it'll be up to temp pct chairs to decide.

More last minute confusion, according to the LV Sun, The Democratic Party has confirmed that some voters received calls deliberately providing false information about their caucus site and time. . I know nothing more about these calls.

Last night while making last-minute deliveries of lit and stickers to pct captains, I drove by the Culinary compound in central Las Vegas. They had rows of camper vans lined up, for their habitual full bus arrivals at the polls. The only question is whether they will be able to be as effective at turnout for a caucus, because they don't have the advantage of all day (or a 2 week early vote) to maximize their organizational strength.

Made my own lit drops this am in my nbhd, of my final brochures, policy books, and policy papers. Surprisingly, still no sign of the kind of systematic Clinton or Obama sweeps I had expected. Saw some Obama door-knockers in trash cans, which had been left yesterday, but the only lit in my pcts that will be doorsteps this morning, apparently, will be Edwards.

I do not believe entrance polls are being taken. Results should be posted here starting about 12:30 PST (3:30 eastern), which should be -- if it all works right -- a real-time display of the results being phoned into an automated system by precinct chairs. Expect smaller, lower-delegate and more rural precincts to start to report first -- and its anybody's guess who will prevail there: Edwards on rural issues and background, Clinton on name ID and party establishment support, or Obama who has boasted all campaign long of his dozen or so offices across the state and most staffers (I'd bet against the third and am hoping for the first).

I'd expect Obama's strongest precincts to report late -- the largely AFrican-American precincts on the west side of Las Vegas are among the largest in terms of delegates (though some very large ones in very suburban areas where new development has wreaked havoc with precinct voter densities), and of course the infamous at-large precincts will be likely to report towards the end just based on their size. So if Obama holds his own in the first third to half of precincts to report, he could likely to be in good shape for a strong late close.

AFter its all over, I'll tell you how it went, and share some local color from my final days of phone banking and canvassing.

Good luck to everyone in Nevada.



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Re: Nevada Caucus morning (none / 0)

this post basically says that obama is going to win because of the casino and black vote. is the process so uniform in NV? I am not sure, so just writing.

But, thanks, very informative.


by American1989 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:40:02 AM EST

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According to the expert pundits, Obama is expected to win a landslide victory today in Nevada. The Culinary Union support makes him an prohibitive favorite. If he doesn't win by an overwhelming margin, it will the shock of the century.


by hwc on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:48:18 AM EST
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Not sure about that... (none / 0)

...but I hope you're right. But Clinton leads in the polls, has the support of the state's political establishment, and she is crushing Obama on the Intrade Prediction Market (55-45 percent last time I checked). I'm hoping for an Obama win today, but I think Clinton has the upper hand right now.


by The Exile on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:03:12 AM EST
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Re: Not sure about that... (2.00 / 0)

Obama's own National Field Director all but guaranteed victory:

"The Nevada election is going to come down to: Whoever gets the endorsement of the Culinary Workers Union, more than likely, is going to win Nevada."

The expert pundits have been talking about the Culinary Union endorsement making Obama a prohibitive favorite all week. They must know what they are talking about or they wouldn't be experts on TV.


by hwc on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:09:01 AM EST
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Re: Not sure about that... (none / 0)

I hope you are right. But I haven't seen pundits predict anything of the sort. And anyway, before New Hampshire they were predicting an Obama blowout. Which pundits are you speaking of?
The Clinton camp has been trying to spin Nevada by playing the underdog and lowering expectations. The Obama camp has been trying to do the same thing.

Again, as an Obama supporter, I hope you're right. But I don't think anybody has a clue. Anyway, we'll know in a few hours.


by The Exile on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:13:41 AM EST
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Re: Not sure about that... (none / 0)

Just to be clear, my own sense is that Clinton wins it by 10 points or more. But that is entirely based on anecdotal evidence in one concentrated area.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:25:19 AM EST
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Re: Not sure about that... (none / 0)

Were you being sarcastic? You really want to talk about "experts" on TV after what happened in New Hampshire?


by Christopher Lib on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:32:14 AM EST
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Wolfson's talking points didn't date (none / 0)

that comment for you, did they?  Because it was  six months ago.

As for the talking heads on TV...


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by psericks on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:37:03 AM EST
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Name a single pundit (none / 0)

expecting a victory for Obama, let alone a landslide victory.

Could you make it a little less transparent?  Or is that snark?

I agree with the MyDD prediction thread for the most part, a narrow race with Clinton most likely on top.    There was a pretty firm consensus across most of the estimates.


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by psericks on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:31:16 AM EST
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Re: Name a single pundit (none / 0)

For what it is worth, Chris Matthews predicted Obama to win Nevada


by mecarr on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:38:13 AM EST
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John Edwards In NV (none / 0)

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan 18/edwards-message-louder-time

EXCERPT

Supporters and journalists surround John Edwards during an appearance Wednesday at the Steelworkers union hall in Henderson. The union has endorsed the former senator from North Carolina.

"He conveys a more aggressive progressive agenda," said Hugh Jackson, a blogger at the influential liberal Web site lasvegasgleaner.com who has endorsed Edwards.

Edwards' campaign hopes these activists -- the ones who read position papers and compare differences on alternative energy policies -- will make up a large percentage of caucusgoers. Additionally, Edwards' populist message resonates with Nevada's working class. Edwards has walked picket lines and campaigned in Nevada for the AFL-CIO last year to raise the minimum wage.

Edwards was the first to propose a universal health care plan. He advocates a significant increase in the minimum wage and would tie it to inflation. He's called for labor laws that would strengthen unions' hand against management.

And, he's called for a more rapid withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, eliminating all American presence within 10 months. That's a more aggressive withdrawal strategy than has been offered by his chief opponents.

Speaking to a lunch-box-and-Thermos crowd at the carpenters union hall Wednesday, Edwards -- preppy in his bluejeans, blue blazer and button-down shirt -- was attired more for the picnic-basket-and-Perrier set.

He engaged them with his personal story of growing up in a family of millworkers and, as an attorney, championing Everyman.

Unlike the other two candidates, he says, he is not beholden to corporations and special interests. He refers to his competitors as "celebrity candidates" who run "$100 million campaigns."

"Nothing will change if we exchange a bunch of corporate Republicans for corporate Democrats," Edwards said to carpenters' applause.

He uses his underdog status to motivate supporters.

"We're going to create a tidal wave of change that moves across this country, that cannot be stopped," he shouted above the din of cheers at the union hall. "And when it's over, we will be able to look our children in the eye and say, `We did for you what our parents did for us. We made certain that you have a better life than we had.'"

The carpenters erupted into a chant: "Go, John, go! Go, John, go!"

"We're not rich people," said Eugene Costa, gesturing to the union hall. "We need someone to fight for us. All the other candidates help rich people."



by dearreader on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:25:54 AM EST
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Courage Campaign : CA straw poll (none / 0)

EXCERPT
http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/comm unity/post/edenjames/Bcq

Julia Rosen, who is in Reno right now planning to blog a few times this weekend about the Nevada Caucuses, just sent the following email out to our Courage Campaign community:

Greetings from Reno, Nevada, where I am sitting in the headquarters of the winner of our "Pick Your President" poll, stealing some free wi-fi on my laptop and getting ready to blog this weekend's events for the Courage Campaign blog.
And who received the most votes of California progressives? Drum roll please...

Here are California's full results. John Edwards kept it neck-and-neck with Obama in the days and hours leading up to our 5 p.m. deadline tonight, but Senator Obama pulled away at the end.

Sen. Barack Obama: 38%
Sen. John Edwards: 33%
Rep. Dennis Kucinich: 16%
Sen. Hillary Clinton: 12%
Gov. Bill Richardson: 0.6%
Sen. Mike Gravel: 0.4%



by dearreader on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:52:28 AM EST
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It wasn't even close nationally. Obama's supporters really got out the vote and he won in a landslide.

Sen. Barack Obama: 55%
Sen. John Edwards: 23%
Sen. Hillary Clinton: 11%
Rep. Dennis Kucinich: 10%
Gov. Bill Richardson: 0.5%
Sen. Mike Gravel: 0.3%


by Piuma on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:04:21 PM EST
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The Democratic Party has confirmed that some voters received calls deliberately providing false information about their caucus site and time.

Kerry forces pulled this one on Dean in Iowa.

Who is Lehane working for now?


by antiHyde on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:58:40 AM EST

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clinton


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:25:34 AM EST
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Quit your damn lying.


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by bowiegeek on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 12:21:39 AM EST
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that is a lie (none / 0)

the Kerry campaign did not call Dean supporters and give them wrong information about the date, time or place of the caucus.

Dean lost because undecideds had ruled him out and went in huge waves to Kerry and Edwards.

Do you have a link supporting your allegation?


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:13:45 PM EST
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Re: that is a lie (none / 0)

Nope, no link. Just the word of friends that I trust who were there on the ground at the time.


by antiHyde on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 06:49:07 PM EST
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Intrade Markets (none / 0)

Anybody out there familiar with the Intrade Prediction Market. Until yesterday, Obama had a big lead (60-40 percent if I remember correctly). But since yesterday, the tables turned and Clinton leads (55-45). Anybody out there understand what drives these traders and what could have caused such a move?


by The Exile on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:19:00 AM EST

Re: Intrade Markets (none / 0)

Anybody out there understand what drives these traders and what could have caused such a move?

- Kilos of crack cocaine.


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by lori on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:31:31 AM EST
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Re: Intrade Markets (none / 0)

The markets react to the polls and the current trends favour Clinton.

The polls released this morning show her lead growing.

The polls, as Mark Penn put it, are probably right, unless their wrong.


by kristoph on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:25:32 PM EST
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Re: Intrade Markets (none / 0)

:)))


by The Exile on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:47:59 PM EST
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Re: Intrade Markets (none / 0)

They are highly reactive to the latest polls and not predictive at all. IIRC, Obama had a huge lead in those markets before NH.


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by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:54:12 AM EST
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Re: Nevada Caucus morning (none / 0)

I would say the mason dixie poll showing clinton ahead. the thing about these prediction markets is that they seem to be based on the same information anybody has access to.


by klaridad on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:24:53 AM EST

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Also there was a Zogby tracking poll released this morning with the Clinton lead growing.

(As well as Huckabee's, in case anyone cares.)


by kristoph on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:29:08 PM EST
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How does it work? (none / 0)

Does anyone know the exact format of the Nevada caucus?  It is like Iowa, in that a candidate must first be declared viable, and if he's not, then his supporters can caucus for another candidate?  If so, what's the viability threshhold?


Obviously you're not a golfer.
by alydar on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:31:50 AM EST

Re: How does it work? (none / 0)

From the state party rules available at http://www.nvdemscaucus.com/#

The ratios used to determine viability are as follows:

*  For precincts with one (1) delegate there is no viability threshold and the delegate shall be elected by a simple majority vote of those eligible caucus attendees present and voting.

*  For precincts with two (2) delegates viability shall be twenty-five percent (25%) of the eligible caucus attendees present.

*  For precincts with three (3) delegates viability shall be one sixth (1/6) of the eligible caucus attendees present;

*  For precincts with four (4) or more delegates viability  shall  be  fifteen  percent  (15%)  of  the  eligible  caucus attendees present.

*  When determining viability the number will be rounded up (e.g. 6.1 = 7)


by bjackrian on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:39:12 AM EST
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Re: How does it work? (none / 0)

Should also have said that caucus goers who align with non-viable candidates can re-align once their candidate is determined to be non-viable.  Caucus goers who initially state a preference for a candidate deemed viable may NOT change their preference during the realignment period (their caucus cards will be collected prior to the realignment).


by bjackrian on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:48:13 AM EST
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Re: How does it work? (none / 0)

You forgot the part about the caucus starting with 6% in the can for Obama from the rigged Culinary Union at-large caucus sites.


by hwc on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:57:40 AM EST
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And Hillary's voter supression efforts. (none / 0)

And Bill's LIES about union intimidation of Hillary supporters. And Billy Shaheen's dogwhistle that Obama was a drug dealer. And Bob Kerry's hook shot that Obama was a muslim terrorist. And Billary's dishonest interpretation of Obama's truthful Reagan comments. And Hillary's distortion of Obama's Yucca Mountain record.


by nerdoff on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:09:51 PM EST
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Re: And Hillary's voter supression efforts. (none / 0)

It's no distortion ;)


by werd2406 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:17:37 PM EST
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When it comes to foreign policy (none / 0)

Hillary IS a Republican.


by nerdoff on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 06:49:15 AM EST
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Re: Nevada Caucus morning (none / 0)

Ha! I see the Clinton expectation game is in full force this morning!


by mattmfm on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:42:43 AM EST

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Was out on the Strip this morning to see what was going on media-wise.  Turns out, nothing so far.  Does sound like the media will overwhelming be down on the Strip later covering the at-large precinct caucuses.

As far as the campaigns and turnout go...  I got two robo calls from Obama and one from Sen. Reid.  No other turnout calls.  When calling for a candidate, the overwhelming response seemed to be "I'm not caucusing".  And there were a high number of people definitely caucusing that were still undecided and indicated they would make up their mind at their caucus today.

I think turnout and who wins is still unpredictable at this point.  I'm leaning towards a very poor turnout, but I wouldn't be surprised by a high turnout.  If I had to pick a likely winner, I'd guess Hillary, but I wouldn't be surprised by an Obama or Edwards win.  

I'm not convinced of Culinary's ability to deliver the at-large precincts for Obama.  And SEIU local's persuasion / turnout program is absolutely laughable.

Low turnout could work in Edwards' favor as the Edwards supporters seem to be the most committed to caucusing.  I've run across a very high number of unregistered / not interested / not caucusing folks at Obama and Hillary events.

But, again, very little would surprise me today.  Of all the states, I think Nevada is the most unpredictable.


by NVcampaigner on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:43:19 AM EST

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I was part of a small group of Angelinos who made over 4,600 calls last night to our assigned districts.  It's hard to know if you can get a good read from concentrating on small areas especially when the most conclusive thing I can say is most people don't answer their phones on Friday nights.  But from my unrepresentative calls, I would say Henderson is probably tilting toward Clinton, and Obama will do much better in Vegas or at least in the areas near Duneville Street and S. Torrey Pines Drive.  I heard no mention of Edwards by name but that really doesn't mean anything.


by Piuma on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:17:53 PM EST
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Thank you desmoulins (none / 0)

I've really appreciated the series of reports on the ground that you've given the past few days. I also appreciate the link for the results. I wasn't sure where to find out what the results were. Thanks again. Your posts have been very helpful....


by ademption on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:05:09 PM EST

125,000 and still counting (none / 0)

After the NH Primary the Obama campaign set of goal of 100,000 contributions in 2008 before the Nevada Caucus.  When it hit that goal 3 days early on Jan. 16th, they raised the bar to a highly ambitious 125,000.  Last night they passed that and stopped the count at 125,594.  

By the way, how did Edwards' moneybomb work out yesterday?  I don't see anything on his website.  

Has Edwards left Nevada or did he return this morning?


by Piuma on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:09:14 PM EST

Re: 125,000 and still counting (none / 0)


Edwards is speaking in Atlanta this afternoon, I'm planning to head out to his event soon.  However it's snowing a lot (for Atlanta) and I hope it's not cancelled.
by evap on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:51:04 PM EST
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Actually there's been a lot of news in Vegas about the Culinary bosses threatening and lying to members saying they MUST vote for Obama or they cant vote at all or doing intimidation techniques. Very sad. Maybe not directly from the Obama camp but it's sad to see these actual documented reports and not see Obama's camp condemn them.


by werd2406 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:09:27 PM EST

The Las Vegas Sun article was called into question (none / 0)

yesterday.  The allegation turned out not to pan out.


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by psericks on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:31:07 PM EST
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I think there is probably a grain of truth in that but most of it is media inflation.

If the actually get voter intimidation on tape (of more than one voter) it will be a HUGE story.


by kristoph on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:33:44 PM EST
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