Some un-reported stories from NV

Lots going on today so sorry that I didn't have time to write up the debate as I had hoped to for this site, though the live thread was pretty thorough. Here's a few tidbits from the last 24 hours that you might not find Tucker Carlson holding forth about.

First, the debate. I thought it was a great success and washed away the bitter taste of last November's debacle. Before it started, Brian Williams made a plea to the audience to remain silent and startingly, it worked (except for the cheers Obama got for a line that truly deserved it, "they all voted for me.") The crowd was smaller and it was a theater rather than a converted gymnasium, which helped, but mostly I think it was simply better run than the CNN fiasco. And nearly every Democrat I spoke to felt the same way.

Another tidbit about the debate that Edwards supporters can be proud of. In the area for "campaign guests," the Clinton rows were full of state elected officials and local politicos; the Obama rows included a variety of politicos, local celebrities (including Andre Agassi and Steffi Graff, though not clear if they are actually supporting Obama) and volunteers; and the Edwards rows were some electeds who are supporting John, some local volunteers, and most evidently, two or three rows of Steelworkers. Sitting in the middle of them was David Bonior. (On the way out, I told one of the Steelworkers how impressed I am with their effort -- many traveled from other states at their own expense -- and she responded "we're a proud union." (Another cool thing, the "Woman of Steel" buttons that a lot of the female Steelworkers wore.)  

Secondly, the suit. By now most everyone expects that the judge will not take action and the damage to the credibility of the process will be minimal. Still, its left people pretty angry, and yesterday one officer of the Clark County executive board resigned in protest of the board's support for the suit. The more immediate effect, of discouraging people from attending, may have been done -- I've heard from several casino workers that the rumor in the breakrooms is that the at-large precincts, or even the entire caucus, is going to be cancelled. (One rumor attributed the suit to "the people in South Carolina" who wanted to be able to be more influential!) Point being, its hard to put the genie back in the bottle and say its all going smoothly. By the way, the hearing has been moved up to 9am tomorrow (PST).

Third, the turnout enigma. In addition to the reasons I've written about earlier as to why I'm still expecting relatively low turnout (below 60,000, or less than 10% of registered Dems), there are more localized factors. One is that this winter has been a weak one for the resort industry (ie, casinos and hotels) so that many of those who work based on tips (bartenders, waiters, dealers) may not be eager to sign out for an entire shift or even part of a meal-time shift during a holiday weekend. One person I know who falls into this category, who has also been hearing lots of quiet in the breakroom about the caucus, suggested that it could well be that the management will be as numerous as the workers at these sites. I think thats very unlikely but it again suggests that there may be less enthusiasm among the rank & file than we've been led to believe.

Another factor -- an outbreak of flu in Las Vegas. Several people have told me today of flu-induced absences at their workplace. Again I'm not suggesting an epidemic and voters who don't vote at the last minute due to health is an ordinary part of every election, but we're unlikely to have the NV equivalent of NH's 60-degree sunny weather on primary day.

Check out Josh Marshall to see the Clinton contrast flyer that I wrote about a few days ago. In the mail today, the second AFSCME mailer in a row that suggests that "For Hillary, its personal." And she had bi-lingual door lit dropped yesterday, which in my bi-lingual neighborhood can be useful in reaching Spanish language households, but can also alienate older white voters. Also, just got yet another Clinton voter ID call; this one from an AFSCME-funded phone bank in Indiana. (I asked the caller if he was a member and he said, no he worked for the calling center.) Thats the third or fourth call center voter ID call for Clinton we've gotten in the last 48 hours. Perhaps a sign that she will be able to turn out her soft supporters, after all?

If Obama is making similar efforts, I have to say that I don't see them in my neighborhood. I was asked today by an Edwards volunteer in from out of state, who had been in Iowa, if UNLV students would  be likely to vote, clearly concerned about a repeat of the Iowa wave. I think its important to keep in mind that UNLV is a commuter school, whose student body is largely non-residential and closely reflects the demographics of the city as a whole. IN other words, no "student vote" to speak of. Same for the larger College of Southern Nevada, the community college that co-hosted last night's debate.

Big media day for Edwards today. He was on MSNBC early, in Reno for a town-hall and is as I write beginning a series of events back down here in LV, culminating in a townhall at the Carpenter's Hall. This event is conflicting with the first-ever joint meeting of all Clark County democratic clubs at the monthly $5 Democratic Spaghetti Dinner at the (more centrally located) ITalian-American Social Club. I have to confess I'm disappointed to be missing what will certainly be a $5 spaghetti dinner to remember.

Big voter contact day and surrogate appearances across the Valley. Every time I talk another voter into supporting Edwards -- and that policy book is terrific; if you are in a state that has an upcoming primary, print it off the website and distribute it as widely as you can -- I feel a tinge of regret that there's simply not enough time and resources to get the message to enough people. All the more reason its so inspiring to see the dedication and resolve of the campaign workers and some of the volunteers.

Hopefully I'll have time before Saturday to post the closing argument I'm making to all the undecideds I know. Suggestions are welcome in the comments thread.



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Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

Thanks for the info.  The MSM don't know anything, it seems.


by BigBoyBlue on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 07:23:22 PM EST

Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

Great diary!  It's like being in Las Vegas yourself, except that when you get to the end you still have all your money.  I'm eager to see how my prediction for the lawsuit turns out.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 07:27:53 PM EST

Great post. Thanks (none / 0)

You are for Edwards, right?


by dpANDREWS on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 07:33:29 PM EST

Re: Great post. Thanks (none / 0)

yes


by desmoulins on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:23:57 PM EST
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Why did the Culinary diss him? (none / 0)

Everyone thought it was in the bad.  That was the CW, that he'd get their nod?

Is their leader going off the reservation and forcing his own will?


by dpANDREWS on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:53:39 PM EST
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they would have endorsed him (none / 0)

if he had won Iowa, but otherwise they were not willing to go out on a limb for him. Sad, but it's not the first time unions have turned their back on the candidate who would be their champion.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:01:36 PM EST
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Re: they would have endorsed him (none / 0)

If Edwards finishes close and Obama loses, they're really going to regret this one. Unions shouldn't pick the candidates based on defeating another candidate, they should pick who they like best.


by Progressive America on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:19:08 PM EST
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Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

So you going to give an impression of who's ahead? no matter how absurd that question amy sound...


by StrongDem08 on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 07:54:56 PM EST

Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

I have no idea. I'm being honest. If you have to bet, bet Clinton, Obama, Edwards but don't bet much.


by desmoulins on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:24:52 PM EST
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Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

I've been making calls for the past week to voters in Nevada and I'm not surprised to hear your estimation of a low voter turnout.  I would say the majority of people I've talked to have followed things a bit but have no intention of voting.  There certainly isn't the interest I've experienced in the other states.  


by Piuma on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:03:25 PM EST

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out of curiousity, where are you calling? My impressions are entirely based on Clark -- people upstate seem to think turnout could be much higher there. That would be good news for Edwards.


by desmoulins on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:25:46 PM EST
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Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

I'm not exactly sure where I'm calling but I've had the impression it's mainly Las Vegas to Henderson area.


by Piuma on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:29:23 PM EST
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Et tu, Steffi? (none / 0)

I wonder if she and Andre will be caucusing.  I bet Martina is for Hillary and Chris Evert for Romney.


by MidwestTracker on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:12:39 PM EST

Re: Et tu, Steffi? (none / 0)

I don't think Steffi is a US citizen. I could be wrong about that but I know she goes back to Germany every year to visit family. We're way off base now, though.


by desmoulins on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:26:25 PM EST
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Re: Et tu, Steffi? (none / 0)

Steffi is a German citizen and is not allowed to vote.  Andre is, though.  


by georgep on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:49:05 PM EST
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Re: Et tu, Steffi? (none / 0)

What's wrong with being a little off base occasionally.  We get so serious on here.  I think Billie Jean King is for Hillary.   Most male golfers are republicans except Dave Duvall.


by MidwestTracker on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:30:25 PM EST
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Re: Et tu, Steffi? (none / 0)

??  I just posted some info I happened to know about (have family and friends in Germany) in regards to whether Steffi Graf may vote on Saturday.   I am not sure where you detect me claiming that anyone was "off" or that there was anything serious about this sidetrack?  I regarded it as lighthearted chatter, personally.


by georgep on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:10:48 AM EST
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Re: Et tu, Steffi? (none / 0)

i really appreciated the posting.  now on to south carolina.


by MidwestTracker on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 05:42:01 PM EST
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Yeah (none / 0)

I'm sure.  


by dpANDREWS on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:54:15 PM EST
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Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

The Clinton position is really strange.  It's one thing for Hillary to take a no comment stance on it, but they've got Bill out there aggressively supporting the suit:

http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2008/ 01/in-tense-exchange-president.html


by Piuma on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:18:20 PM EST

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And the biggest unreported story of the year, in Nevada or anywhere else.


by desmoulins on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:30:57 PM EST

Obama downplaying expectaions (none / 0)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/20 08/01/nevada_who_will_win.html?hpid=topn ews

I understand the Obama camps internal polling is not especially encouraging but, at the same time, everyone agrees the polling is almost meaningless.


by kristoph on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:51:45 PM EST

Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

Enjoyable report.

If what you write here is correct, the Clinton camp seems to outhustle everyone else, at least when it comes to getting the word out, communicating with Hispanics, etc.   If this is another close result and Obama loses by a point or two, maybe the intensity factor needs to be ratcheted up in camp Obama?  By all accounts, Clinton outworked Obama in New Hampshire as well.  


by georgep on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:52:34 PM EST

Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

Uhhhh... no.  I infer that Hillary (or rather AFSCME) is buying support from the call centers, which she/they can afford, and that her team does not understand the local race issues, which is dangerous for her.


Election fraud is treason, nothing less.
by NM Ward Chair on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 10:17:31 PM EST
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I am sure Obama could afford that, and then some.  

Are you saying he does not know that he could "get the word out" via call centers?   From desmoulins description, he himself received multiple calls from a Clinton helper, none from Obama.  If that is true throughout, then you have a discrepancy in coverage/blanketing to get the word out between Clinton and Obama.  

The description here also had it that fliers were distributed in Spanish amongst Hispanic residents, with the Obama campaign not doing that, at least according to this diarist.  


by georgep on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:06:58 AM EST
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Re: local race issues (none / 0)

What local race issues are you talking about?

If you live there do you know what Bill is talking about with the at large votes bearing five times as much weight as local precincts?


by del on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:38:12 PM EST
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Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

Good info, thanks!


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:09:39 PM EST

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Nah...much as I like and respect your judgment I'd say the fact that Obama hearts him some St. Ronnie as the kind of President he'd like to be tops all.

But maybe even more amazing is how it's all good....If you support Senator 'Dope' that is!

Watch the fur fly here:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=3263


by Pericles on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:17:47 PM EST

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Might I just note that what you wrote made very little sense.

(Perhaps I am too old ;-)


by kristoph on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:26:50 PM EST
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Re: Some un-reported stories from NV (none / 0)

How nice to read an on-the-ground report from Nevada.  Good work and thank you!  I feel a little closer to the action now!


by Radiowalla on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:29:49 PM EST


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