NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail bag

Although the Nevada State Democratic Party adopted most of its caucus rules from Iowa, one of the most important differences in next Saturday's caucus will be the 9 "at-large" precincts to be held on major Strip properties to enable, in principle, hotel and casino workers whose shift would otherwise preclude their attendance to participate. There's a lot of confusion and speculation surrounding these sites, but since they are a) likely to account for somewhere between 4 and 10 % of delegates and b) likely to attract media attention, they stand a chance of having an impact on the outcome (or the perception of the outcome) next Saturday.

The at-large precincts are unique in several respects. First, they are not based upon home address but upon employment; participants must show their employee ID and participate at their place of employment (ie, one of the participating Strip properties). Second, the number of delegates allotted will depend upon number of eligible caucus attendees, based on a sliding scale between 50 and 100. Expectations are that each of the 9 sites will award between 60 and 80 delegates, of the roughly 10,000 delegates to be apportioned statewide. Enough to tip the balance in a close race.

The sliding scales were calculated by the NDSP to provide lower delegate to voter ratios than standard precincts, to create a disincentive for campaigns to steer supporters who are employees not on their shifts to the at-large precincts. Still, there has long been buzz that the opposite could occur, if turnout at the at-large precincts is very low, in which case the ratios of delegates to voters would be much higher. This possibility is reportedly the basis of a lawsuit filed today against the NDSP (as reported on the woeful local tv news, so no one seems to know who brought the suit); such last-minute lawsuits are not atypical in Nevada elections the last few cycles so no one seems too concerned that this could disrupt the caucus. Then again, it could fall to a judge who wants to get his or her name in the paper (perhaps jealous of not being able to try the OJ Simpson case?) ....

Until recently, there has also been confusion about whether Strip employers would allow workers on their shifts to attend. (During regular elections, workers are given permission to leave the designated break areas for 20 minutes to vote (one of the early voting sites is on the Strip); since a caucus will take more time, and require a large number of workers to take an extended break at the same time, there has reportedly been resistance by employers. That concern has apparently been resolved, as today (at least at some properties) sign-up sheets were posted for those workers intending to attend. (Interestingly, at least at one property, perhaps more, dealers were told they will have to take the entire day off if they wish to attend. [Dealers are not represented by Culinary; at two Strip properties, dealers recently voted to affiliate with the Transport Workers Union (which has endorsed Edwards)]).

The widespread expectation has long been that although not all Strip employees are Culinary members, their support will be predominant. That might suggest Obama will gain the lion's share of those 400 to 1000 delegates. (On the subject of the Culinary support for Obama, there was a protest at their office today, before the rally at which Obama formally accepted the nomination; the protest was, again according to not always reliable local news, of members angry that the union had not endorsed Clinton. The carried signs reading "The Union is costing us our jobs" and Clinton signs and according to two protesters quoted on the local tv news, they felt it was "unAmerican" for the union to "tell people how to vote." No indication if this protest was affiliated with or organized by the Clinton campaign, though it would seem so incredibly bone-headed that I find it unlikely the campaign would have done so.

By the way, another interesting difference from Iowa -- the NDSP rules state clearly that observers at any precinct caucus are "not to participate or influence" the proceedings, and no one is allowed to hand out any literature, buttons, signs, etc. Individuals may bring campaign signs or literature but they must hold onto such material at all times and cannot hand them to others. Given that all the campaigns have been struggling to identify and train precinct captains up to the final week, this is one area in which I imagine there may be some confusion or dispute; those campaigns with larger staffs or with support from allied groups or more out of state volunteers might be tempted to have staffers or volunteers function effectively as precinct captains, then withdraw before the group is counted. Precinct chairs should not allow this, although its anybody's guess how closely they will want or be able to do so.

Speaking of allied groups, AFSCME mail arrived today, apparently targeted at women, on behalf of Clinton. Its slightly off-message, emphasizing her experience in Washington and her Readiness for Day One, while her new tv ads play up her conversion to pathos on the road to Manchester, showing a clip from her NH victory speech about finding her voice.

Also in the mail, the NDSP is sending a rather clever series to encourage turnout, which depict (the 2nd in 2 days arrived today, so I'm anticipating they will continue) what appear to be actual Nevada Democrats who are intending to caucus based on their concern about various issues (a soldier back from Iraq concerned to end the war; a nurse concerned about health care). The party is also running tv and radio ads and robo-calls featuring Harry Reid. I'll try to give a sense of how I perceive the state of play on the all-important questionof turnout after this weekend's canvassing.  



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Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

thanks desmoins, truly.

it is a pleasure to come home from the bar at 3 am and have a new diary from you.


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:59:17 AM EST

Harry Reid deserves a lot of credit... (none / 0)

for making Nevada relevant.  For many months, I thought that the South Carolina Republican primary would overshadow the Nevada caucus results.  However, because of the emerging Obama Clinton super battle, Nevada will get a ton of attention.  I would not be surprised if the turnout was near or over the 100,000 high end estimate.

One other factor favoring Obama is that the Republican caucus contest is so anemic and will be so overshadowed by South Carolina that independents will be inclined to go to the Democratic caucus to be part of the excitement.

At the end of the day, this caucus is really about making Nevada blue in November.  


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 04:58:15 AM EST

Re: Harry Reid deserves a lot of credit... (none / 0)

Nevada has a closed caucus.  Only registered Democrats can participate in the Democratic caucus.  No independents in this one.


by markjay on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 08:45:20 AM EST
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Re: Harry Reid deserves a lot of credit... (none / 0)

Are you sure? Hil's site says anyone can partake but they have to register democrat before going in but can show up as indies or gop.


by boxer4hrc on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 08:54:53 AM EST
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sorry guys... (none / 0)

http://politics.nytimes.com/packages/htm l/election-guide/2008/primaries/states/N V.html


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 09:02:53 AM EST
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Re: Harry Reid deserves a lot of credit... (none / 0)

No, its as in Iowa -- anyone can register as a Dem on caucus day and participate.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 09:54:04 AM EST
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Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

The teachers union and a few other individuals have joined together to file a lawsuit demanding that the precients by the strip be removed


by world dictator on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:47:13 AM EST

NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail bag (none / 0)

This is fantastic stuff.

A question for you:  how has the local tv media covered both the HRC and Obama events.  Is there the nuance (re:  the battle within the Culinary Union) that one sees within the LV paper?

Further, what's the impact of HRC's door-to-door campaigning (which I see as a very clever PR move and truly the way she is going to win from a PR standpoint).


by ChrisR on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 08:03:30 AM EST

NV caucus (none / 0)

The Vegas TV news coverage of Clinton's walk-thru of a mostly Latino/a neighborhood in Las Vegas and town hall at a Mexican restaurant was extremely positive.


by hwc on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:19:03 AM EST
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Re: NV caucus (none / 0)

Okay, here's my next question:

How stupid was the lawsuit filed re:  at-large districts.  It is one thing to say "it is okay to buck the trend of the union", but it is a harder argument to make when a campaign's surrogates are voting to stop the at-large voting on the Strip.

Just my (distant) opinion -- but if one is saying "hey, its okay to break ranks", that's a good strategy.  If supporters (twice or thrice-removed) are filing suit that can be perceived as disenfranchising workers of the Union, well..... that's pretty dumb.


by ChrisR on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:23:16 AM EST
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Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

Markjay, Are you sure? I have read everywhere that is is an open caucus just like Iowa. Hillary's site even says anyone can vote but they have to register democrat before they go in.


by boxer4hrc on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 08:53:23 AM EST

Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

This caucus is open to Democrats Only.  If you're not on the rolls as a Dem at the door, you will have an opportunity to Register as a Democrat, and participate.  

This rule is slightly different from the GOP as they closed their lists (30 days out I think) and don't allow last minute registration.


by NvDem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:08:53 PM EST
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Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

Are we going to see even one poll before the Caucus?


What would LBJ do?
by Socks The Cat on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 10:30:08 AM EST

Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

No. The pollsters are not polling after NH.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 10:34:18 AM EST
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The campaigns are (none / 0)

polling though.  Mostly seem like push polls from the questions though.


by NvDem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:10:29 PM EST
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Re: The campaigns are (none / 0)

I got a call yesterday from someone who would only say he was calling from "a call center in Iowa." Heasked if I was going to "vote in the Democratical caucus" and then for whom. I said I wasn't sure (I wanted to see if I could draw out who was calling) and he ended the call. The incoming number was blocked.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:37:23 PM EST
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Re: The campaigns are (none / 0)

I indicated support for Edwards, then a few questions about Hillary (mostly positive) and a bunch about Obama (all negative).  I've had two of these Wed. & Fri. Blocked Id on one and the other was "research center" (231)224-2033.  Googled and it looks like a telemarketing firm.  


by NvDem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:50:32 PM EST
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The Sun had a story yesterday that national pollsters were not going to poll NV because of the difficulty of modeling the electorate. In other words, nobody knows who is going to vote.

Maybe they'll stop doing it entirely and maybe the press will report on something other than horserace and process.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:34:46 AM EST
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that would be nice (none / 0)

I wonder if the campaigns are doing any internal polling. It would seem that they wouldn't want to fly totally blind, but then again, if you have no clue who's going to turn out, I guess polling is money down the drain.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:20:24 PM EST
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Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

Thanks!!


by aiko on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 10:30:57 AM EST

Thanks for the post! (none / 0)

Great info. It's almost like DesMoinesDem moved to Nevada to give us the inside scoop.


by tomcat on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:16:57 AM EST

Obama Event (none / 0)

Sen. Obama did however atleast go out and talk to the people that had waited (some for up to 2 hours) in the cold weather to see him speak.  I didn't go to the Hillary event..not really interested in seeing her though.  When I got there...I was amazed to see that many people.  The line went from the door, down to the end of the building, zig-zagged thru the parking lot, then out of the parking lot and down the street.  Even after it became apparent that most of us outside weren't getting it, Obama staff came out and kept us entertained, and people were very reluctant to leave, because they wanted to see him so bad.  This definitely bodes will for him...I can't wait for the 19th.


by jmeugniot on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:34:45 AM EST

Re: Obama Event (none / 0)

Ack...1/2 my post disappeared...

Missing part:  I went to the Obama event last night here in LV, the gym it was held in holds 2500 people.  They had to turn away between 2500-2700 people because they could't stuff anymore people in.  The turn out was amazing.

Side note: I was one of the people that didn't get in.  My mom did however get in, and said it was like a mad house in there.


by jmeugniot on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:38:55 AM EST
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Interesting anecdote from an early morning walk around my neighborhood. Two houses of long-time residents, consistent democratic voters, and (I believe) Culinary union members (also Hispanic families) that had had Clinton yard signs for several weeks ...suddenly did not have the signs any more. Up the street, another house that is not one I know to be a consistent Democratic voter had a new Culinary/Obama yard sign.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:37:16 AM EST

here's where the lack of a secret ballot (none / 0)

at the caucus could really hurt Clinton.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:20:58 PM EST
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Here's the scoop on the suit concerning the at-large precincts from the LV Sun

Plaintiff is the NSEA (teacher's union) and county party activists:

The other plaintiffs are Dwayne Chesnut, John Cahill, Vicky and John Birkland, and Patricia Montgomery

The story, not fully accurately, identifies them as Clinton backers. Chesnut is a county party officer and neutral; he is not a Clinton backer. Birkland is the husband of another county party officer who is also neutral though is a Clinton backer.

This is an odd, odd story but not atypical of how elections have come down around here the last few cycles. If I find out more, I'll post it here.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:44:22 AM EST

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I know a few of the names...they were Dina Titus supporters.  (Dina is a state senator that was the Dem. Nominee for Gov., and has endorsed Hillary) But from what I'm told the suit should be thrown out by monday.


by jmeugniot on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:56:08 AM EST
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I have also been told the suit has no merit. I think its Clinton backers (not necessarily Dina) trying to devalue the caucus which saddens me greatly.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:06:38 PM EST
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Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

Thats not what Jon Ralston says. He said "The suit makes a pretty good case for disproportionate
representation by the casino precincts. " (direct quote)

Also, the main plaintiffs are the teacher unions not  Cahill,etc,etc.

This lawsuit "connects" back to Hillary through a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend. And considering how intimate southern Nevada politics is, where there's so few players, you can trace a line back to anyone. Hell I could trace a line back to Obama if I wanted


by world dictator on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:53:02 PM EST
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the DNC Approved (none / 0)

plan for the Caucus had an open forum, participation, and vetting by all concerned, Including the Plaintiffs.  

This is a small state politically, and the lines are fairly direct.


by NvDem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:20:30 PM EST
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Not blaming you for this but Ralston is, well, often wrong. One-person one-vote based on the 14th amendment (Baker v Carr) does not apply here, since its an internal process of the party not a state or federal election. Moreover, if it were governed by federal precedent, a certainly widely cited Supreme Court decision from late 2000 decided that "there is no individual right to vote for President."

This suit is a kitchen sink being thrown against the courthouse wall to see if it finds a sympathetic judge, perhaps one with political ties or debts to the Clinton political machine.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:44:20 PM EST
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Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

Also, arguing that the strip precient cites have too much representation is HARDLY devaluing the caucus. Spare me your hyperbole. No one is saying that the caucus should be cancelled. If anything, I think the argument could  be made that giving such disportionate weight to strip caucus cites where the   union literally picks who people will vote for delegitmizes the caucus.

I'm not coming down on either side, I think caucuses are bad in general, but you're being quite melodramtic.


by world dictator on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:55:52 PM EST
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Re: NV caucus: the at-large precincts and the mail (none / 0)

You're missing the point.

Filing a lawsuit a week before to alter the rules of the caucus -- when the rules have been set out long before -- is just bad PR.  Legally, it probably won't even work.

What was Hillary's PR strategy?  Among the people, door to door, meeting Latino voters.  On the ground it was to let friends and members of the union to know that many of them might break from the Union.

Now?  Relying upon a spurious legal strategy that by definition allows those working on the Strip that day not to vote.

Its just awful PR.  With friends like these....


by ChrisR on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:13:01 PM EST
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It's obviously a reaction to the Culinary endorsement.  If it was about something else, it would have been filed six months ago.

Nevada is a caucus because it was placed ahead of New Hampshire on the original pre 2/5 calendar.  Deference was given to New Hampshire's traditional role as the first in the nation primary.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:23:23 PM EST
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Its worse than that. Strip workers are being told by their employers that they have to take time off (ie, give up part of a paycheck) to attend. Now, after some have signed up to do so, they may not be able to get to vote after all.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:29:44 PM EST
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Lawsuit... (none / 0)

Edit: But atleast one of those people is an Edwards supporter for sure.


by jmeugniot on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 11:58:17 AM EST

Re: Lawsuit... (none / 0)

Not really. DC came to one event and hasn't done anything to help the campaign.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:07:11 PM EST
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and den (none / 0)

Des...what part of town are you in?


by jmeugniot on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:14:19 PM EST

Re: and den (none / 0)

Democratic heartland. Central Las Vegas.


by desmoulins on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:20:03 PM EST
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