On the ground in Clark County NV

Jerome invited me to do some posts that would report on the campaigning in Nevada, and I'll try to do so for the next 10 days leading up to the caucus. I'm an active supporter of Edwards and have been volunteering on his behalf in a heavily Democratic assembly district since last summer. I'm a rather low-tier activist  so most of what I can share is only impressionistic but at the least, my area is demographically rather representative of the state as a whole.

The big question that I'm sure is on most people's minds at the moment is what will be the impact of the Culinary and SEIU endorsements of Obama. I've posted earlier that I think its a big boost for him, though I still think its a very wide open race here. Here's why:

First and foremost, the biggest mystery of the campaign at least in the field has been the Obama ground organization. For months the press has been reporting that Obama has the best field organization anyone has ever seen in the state; for months, Ive been scratching my head about where it is. The Obama campaign has certainly been present but in my district, the canvassing and phone calling that I'm aware of his been entirely by out of state volunteers, and the precinct captains that I know in my district were not very well informed about the process nor where they particularly active as volunteers. Or, as I suppose the Obama campaign would have it, they are stealthily doing their work and not telling anyone about it.

I've long felt that his support has been intense but not very broad. I think Culinary and SEIU will certainly help him broaden it, especially in areas like mine that have a lot of members. But since the Culinary and SEIU's political turnout apparatus is best at mobilizing members in areas they are concentrated (producing some very impressive wins in some local elections the last few cycles), and since the membership is itself divided in its support (though Culinary members tend to be very loyal to the union), its not clear how broadly this organizational strength will translate into a stronger organization statewide. (Indeed, some argue that Culinary's membership's influence in the caucus will be diminished by the at-large precinct sites on the Strip, since large numbers of Culinary members who are on shift Sat the 19th may end up electing a relatively small amount of delegates.)

Culinary itself is playing down its influence and playing up the influence of Clinton's endorsements from elected officials. Some reporters have already speculated that the caucus will now become a showdown between Culinary and leading Dems like Berkeley, Titus , Reid and Guinchigliani to see who really controls the grassroots activists. Thats a silly way to analyze it, not least because it leaves out the large number of labor, enviro and progressive activists supporting Edwards.

To this point, from what I've seen, the best answer is that the endorsement has brought Obama the sort of media buzz and name recognition that Clinton has long enjoyed. Today making voter persuasion calls I picked up for the first time, casual Obama supporters -- those who had moved from undecided to Obama but could not name an issue or reason. For months, those sort of voters have been uniformly Clinton -- and everyone on all sides has considered them effectively undecided. Obama dropped mail yesterday and started a new 1 minute ad, recycled from Iowa, today, but there's no sense of a wave of support at least not in my area.

The other key question remains turnout. After Iowa and NH, the state party has raised its hopes of a turnout closer to its original target of 100K, and to this end, the party has begun a direct mail and tv advertising campaign. And getting the Culinary and SEIU turnout machine in action could help there too. But I still think this will be largely a caucus of activists rather than casual voters.

Lastly, to make the case for the Edwards camp, my calls and visits have (somewhat to my surprise) not shown any significant drop-off in support, especially among activists/ precinct captains and those off my lists that I consider likely to caucus --- and the increased field presence thanks to the arrival of most of the Iowa field staff may be increasing the number of supporters.  

Richardson's withdrawal opens up  a pool of likely caucus goers for the taking and, as is generally the case with non-front-running candidates, those supporters are probably a bit more issue-oriented than the average voter. I think this means they will likely be more responsive to those campaigns that can speak to their policy concerns rather than simply buzz.

As I said, this is anecdotal and probably too vague to be up to the standards of what we've enjoyed on this site. But I do hope that others who are here in NV and see it differently might give their perspectives, from Washoe or the rurals, or from another part of Clark.



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Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (none / 0)

Because it is a stand up caucus do you think the unions will be better off keeping members in line?  That is you have to say who your for in public.


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by CardBoard on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:34:13 PM EST

Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (none / 0)

I admit ignorance about NV. Can you tell us what the structure is like in greater detail. Weighted for geographic diversity, nature of electorate there, typical caucus goer, what were the numbers in 2004, and how strong is edwards organization there? were others there for a while? etc.


by bruh21 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:36:46 PM EST

Hope aside (none / 0)

Where is Obama on Yucca Mtn?

His debate answer regarding nuclear waste was the worst of the season.  He sweated, he waffled, he ducked, he dodged, and in the end he said he "hoped" a solution would be found in the future from tech that HASN't BEEN INVENTED YET.

So again, in 25 words or less what is Obama's stance on Yucca?


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:37:10 PM EST

I am not challenging you to answer (none / 0)

I am simply making a point.  Nobody, not even Obama, can answer the question for Obama in 25 words or less.

Obama is nowhere on this issue unless he totally flip flops on it.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:43:49 PM EST
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Re: I am not challenging you to answer (none / 0)

Obama is for a continuation of nuclear research to find better disposal techniques.


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by CardBoard on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:45:19 PM EST
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Re: I am not challenging you to answer (2.00 / 1)

You are realy, really annoying. Nothing ever constructive comes out of you. This is a process diary. If you want to talk about the issue you mention, why not simply write your own damn diary than hijack this one.


by bruh21 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:45:40 PM EST
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I oppose dumping waste at Yucca (none / 0)

Too close to LV, have to truck it cross country, questions about the science.

What say Obama?

Sort of "hoping" for a "future" solution what does he say now, today about shipping waste to Yucca Mtn in the near future if all "hope" is lost and this new solution doesn't materialize?

6 words and I stated my position.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:50:46 PM EST
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Re: I oppose dumping waste at Yucca (none / 0)

Stop diary hijacking.


by bruh21 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:52:55 PM EST
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What does this have to do with the (2.00 / 1)

NV Caucus process?

The "my candidate is the 2nd coming, yours sucks" diaries are over on the right. Does that help?


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by molly bloom on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:54:24 PM EST
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I think issues matter (none / 0)

I am sick of this tingly feel good nonsense.  Lets talk about the nitty gritty.   Where does the rubber hit the road?  

Issues issues issues.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:00:08 PM EST
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Re: I think issues matter (2.00 / 3)

I will try to do an entry on the Yucca issue.

I agree there is far, far too much coverage of process in the MSM.

I did this to try to give people a sense of how  I see it on the ground, since a lot of the best writing here did that in the last few weeks for Iowa and NH.


by desmoulins on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:11:06 PM EST
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I love the ground stuff (none / 0)

I want to know who has the most yard signs.

What the canvassers are hearing.

Who has the best local talent on the ground.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:14:32 PM EST
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Re: I love the ground stuff (2.00 / 1)

Yard signs -- not that plentiful yet. NV is a state where ordinarly visibility is very important, and by this point in an ordinary election, there would be yard and road signs everywhere. There's very little.
I expect that will change this weekend.

For now, some Clinton yard signs but very scattered. Some Obama signs (which are, aeshetically, far and away the best; eye-catching on a white background, readable and they have the caucus date). Still a few Biden signs, most of which have fallen down already.  


by desmoulins on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:31:43 PM EST
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I wish I were canvassing LV (none / 0)

Of course I would be canvassing cocktail waitresses ... trying to bring them out for Hillary of course.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:47:52 PM EST
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do the Obama yard signs have his name? (2.00 / 1)

Or do they say HOPE with the Obama logo as the O?

I am sure some marketing wizard can tell us why those are great yard signs, but every time I saw one of them it made me think "HYPE."


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:12:04 AM EST
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Re: do the Obama yard signs have his name? (none / 0)

Well, going door to door there were a lot more signs for "Hope" because we ran out of Edwards signs.  Was money an issue?  


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by Feral Cat on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:03:46 PM EST
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Re: I think issues matter (2.00 / 3)

There is a time and place for both issues and process. Caucuses are relatively unusual. This diaries is somewhat an expert on the caucus process.

If you want to write an issue diary please do so. I will gladly read it.

Just no more candidate bashing. I'm not picking on you. I have told partisans of all 3 candidates the same thing at one time of another. All 3 have attractive qualities and there are minuses with all 3 as well. I don't need to be told HRC voted for the AUMF; that Obama votes present and shakes hands with a shady character named Rezko; that Edwards was on the board of a hedge fund. I damn sure don't want to hear about madressas, haircuts, or cackles.


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by molly bloom on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:30:45 PM EST
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Issues matter--when not drenched in acrimony (none / 0)

It's been wall-to-wall shit-storm at MyDD for a god damn year.

Off to the right for a diary with you.


by MNPundit on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:01:01 PM EST
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Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (none / 0)


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:56:00 PM EST

Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (2.00 / 1)

My dad and step mom have lived in Baker for decades. Nestled in the foothills of Mt. Wheeler and the Great Basin National Park.

I have been urging the Baker Nevada caucus goers to stand with Obama.  Not sure if my emails and phone calls have made a difference but they seem to appreciate the enthusiasm.

They aren't sure where to hold the caucus since the roof of the only school blew off last week. This is a town of 100 or less.

Good luck Nevada. Our eyes are on you.


by aiko on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:14:31 PM EST

Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (2.00 / 2)

I think that makes you Baker's most experienced political operative.


by desmoulins on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:33:02 PM EST
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Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (none / 0)

Don't underestimate the reid political machine  in southern Nevada. This is an area where Reid regularly wins by 15 points.

A lot will depend on how much access Rory Reid has to his dad's grassroots organization. Also worth noting, Rory Reid is a county comissioner in southern Nevada. Because of the casino industry and the constant growth of Nevada, country comissioners are among the most powerful politicians in Nevada.


by world dictator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:26:09 PM EST

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Your not sure if Rory Reid has access to his dad's organization? Why would he not?


by kristoph on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:05:12 PM EST
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Politics.  

If He gave Rory that level of access, its the same as the Majority Leader making an endorsement.  Its not smart business UNTIL the nomination is decided.  Now, come the GE, I fully expect both Reids to be workin hard for the Dem Candidate.


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by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:59:16 PM EST
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Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (none / 0)

I think you all are overstating the "Reid machine." There's not any particularly organized or active network that is loyal to Reid which hasn't already been engaged for Clinton or any of the other campaigns.


by desmoulins on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:22:39 AM EST
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Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (none / 0)

Reid has lists,contacts,numbers,etc


by world dictator on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:30:16 AM EST
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Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (2.00 / 1)

desmoulins, thanks for posting this.  My question is about out-of-staters.  Are any of the campaigns drawing out-of-staters (especially from California) to volunteer or is it mostly Nevadans who are helping out canvassing, etc?


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by katerina on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:50:38 PM EST

Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (2.00 / 2)

Mostly out of staters. Thats why having the support of local activists who know their own precincts is so important; its rare to find. The state party hasn't cultivated it as much until recently and the great impact of the caucus will be, I hope, a legacy of local activists who know their own precincts.

Just got a call from a Clinton that was a 515 area code. Not even sure where that is.


by desmoulins on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:57:19 PM EST
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Des Moines. n/t (2.00 / 1)


by MNPundit on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:04:16 PM EST
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Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (none / 0)

I have friends in Las Vegas and I visit there fairly often -- part for the usual tourist stuff but also as a stopping off point for the national parks in the region.  One reason I like Las Vegas is that it is so oblivious to politics -- are real people getting excited at all?


by howardpark on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:18:09 PM EST

Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (2.00 / 1)

Being born and raised here in Vegas...I can tell you that there are more people here that are just becoming active for the first time.  Mostly for Obama...but a few for Clinton as well.  Mostly young people.  But as I get out more and more and talk to more people (I work in a retail computer repair shop in Henderson) Obama's message of  anti-establishment and promise to bring people people together is really resonating with voters.  Two of my co-workers and my mom and best friend (all of which have never voted or really participated in politics) are getting out and supporting Sen. Obama.  I don't know if this is the overall feeling, but the people I talk to this seems to be a trend.  I do have 1 friend though has never been into politics that is working for Clinton.  But like I said..the "trend" seems to be for Obama. One last note..I have been slowly seeing more and more Obama signs on the South East side of LV where I live.  But in North East area...there are quite a few Hillary signs.  


by jmeugniot on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:05:57 PM EST

Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (2.00 / 1)

On a side note...people that are knocking Sen. Obama's "Hope" theme...it really does work...and atleast here in NV is bringing people in that have never participated in the process.  People seem to be supporting a "New faith" Which is much more then a religious feeling.  Seems to be resonating with my friends and family well. Just 2 more cents.


by jmeugniot on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:10:10 PM EST

Great diary, now some questions (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the great diary.  Now some questions.

In Iowa, delegates are divied up by precinct based on number of past votes at that precinct, right?  Does the same principle take place in Nevada?

And, if so, how is that affected if they set up new, special caucusing sites on the strip?  Were those there four years ago?  Are the delegates just redistributed to those sites from elsewhere in that precinct?  How does that work?

I'm trying to figure out that, if lots of workers vote on the strip, how their votes are counted.


by markjay on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:01:31 PM EST

Re: Great diary, now some questions (2.00 / 2)

Delegates selected at the precinct caucuses are allotted based on # of registered Dems in the precinct.

The # of delegates allotted in the at-large precincts will be based on the # of participants at each precinct, but based on a pre-set scale that runs between (IIRC) 50 and 100 delegates. So at most, they will elect about 400 delegates out of 10,000.

Conseqeuently, the ratio of caucus-goers to delegates is much higher for the at-large precincts,  which some have pointed out as a reason why the 20K or so Culinary  members who are registered Dems (and not all of whom work on the Strip; and who do not represent all Strip workers) might not be as influential.

(On the other hand they would have been even less influential with no at-large precincts since they would be at work.)


by desmoulins on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:39:46 PM EST
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Re: Great diary, now some questions (none / 0)

Thanks.  You should post a Part II of your diary series that explains this and other points!!

Thanks again.


by markjay on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 01:40:03 PM EST
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is Edwards up on tv in Nevada? (2.00 / 1)

I read somewhere that he has not run any tv ads in Nevada, while Clinton and Obama have ads in heavy rotation.

I would hope that labor and environmental activists stick with Edwards. At this point expectations for him are extremely low in Nevada. I hope he can be viable in most precincts.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:17:43 AM EST

Re: is Edwards up on tv in Nevada? (2.00 / 1)

No ads for Edwards yet. There have been, I believe, targeted mailings on his behalf and campaign mail should arrive soon.

Obama's been up for a few weeks and it seemed to be getting a lot of play; he sent a mail piece pretty widely that arrived Wed. Clinton's ads were very light until recently, and she's done several mailings that seem to have been selective. Both have also run ads on Spanish-language radio.

I think the general view is that its a small electorate so ads are not the most efficient way to reach voters (though still important, just not cost effective). In addition to paying a lot to reach people who aren't Democrats or won't go to the caucus, you're paying to reach a lot of tourists.

Tuesday's debate should be a good opportunity for Edwards, with the field narrowed -- and hopefully there will be better moderation of the debate and better control of the crowd.


by desmoulins on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:33:20 AM EST
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Re: is Edwards up on tv in Nevada? (2.00 / 1)

Who is sponsoring this one and who will be moderating?


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by katerina on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:54:35 AM EST
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Re: is Edwards up on tv in Nevada? (2.00 / 1)

msnbc, I think. Not sure who's moderating.


by desmoulins on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 01:36:12 AM EST
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Re: On the ground in Clark County NV (2.00 / 1)

Many thanks for this thread and the upcoming reports, desmoulins. I live in Henderson but I'll miss the caucus, needing to remain in Florida to help my family with a medical concern. I was really looking forward to caucusing for the first time. And it would have been for Edwards.

I have a good feel for Nevada statewide politics in a standard sense, but handicapping a caucus is a different matter. Before I left in mid-December, my impression was similar to something you highlighted, that Obama was not as well organized in Las Vegas as the conventional wisdom. The Hillary and Edwards supporters seemed to have a jump on his crowd at the few events I attended or heard about.

My belief is preference overwhelms organization. I don't think it's a given that the culinary crowd will turn out overwhelmingly for Obama. The most heavily pro-union people I meet in casinos are women. That's been blatantly true for more than a decade. Hard for me to imagine them abandoning Hillary in the typical percentage of a union endorsement. However, the caucus aspect makes me less confident in that assessment.

In Southern Nevada women fare very well in electoral politics -- Titus, Berkley, Chris G, even Hafen who probably would have ousted Porter if she had been funded early. The Las Vegas area will dictate the outcome and IMO the edge is to Hillary.

Obama didn't help himself by botching a health care debate in Nevada early in the process, plus the strange comment on Yucca Mountain.  


by Gary Kilbride on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 01:15:00 AM EST


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